MMS and LAURICIDIN under phase contrast scope

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jamescase20
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MMS and LAURICIDIN under phase contrast scope

Post by jamescase20 » Tue 19 Aug 2008 23:34

A number of you have attacked me as a fool.

However, I had a natpath do live blood microscopy on me and we found tons of lyme hatchlings. I also have a positive western blot for lyme to verify.

I bought a phase contrast 1600x scope, I use glass slides, coverslips, and immersion oil for my blood smears.

I tested MMS and laruicidin using my scope as the test check.

My results: shocking. LESS invaders.

EVEN better then 3-5G of ceftin daily.

MMS and laruicidin together seem to work very well together.

In only day 9, I see a reduction of hatchlings thats downright amazing. I went from 1000s to 100s to 20s to 5s to 1s and even ZERO in some blood drops.

Dont believe it?:?? DONT, your loss.. But you have to ask yourself...did you check your blood with live blood microscopy???? I DID!!!!

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Post by Fin24 » Wed 20 Aug 2008 1:23

James we/I do not think you a fool--only desperate (like the rest of us) and a bit too eager to "believe" and as for your western blot I for one do NOT doubt you have Lyme--not the issue

what in the world are Lyme hatchlings????? what are they hatching from???? do you know the way they reproduce??? binary transverse fission..so what hatchlings???

please refer me to a bacteriology text book explaining this

Please realize that live blood microscopy isnt all that reliable due to far too many reasons to list here--and this is from someone (me) who went to the late great Dr Atkins and had it done on ME!!!! and I spoke at length with the tech and the full of himself Dr Atkins too and they did finally admit to its shady validity!!

what you did was NOT within the realm of "good" science--you broke one rule immediately
assuming that what happens on a glass slide is what will happen in the body--oh if that were only true

so I dont know what "tests" you thought you were doing but if you were in MY science class ( even 6th grade level) Id have FAILED you for that alone


then you say your experiemtn went to day 9--was that after waiting 9 days then looking on the SAME samples or did you take more blood each day??

IF on same samples--you cant take blood on slides and not expect them to degrade and any bacteria along with it

IF on different daily samples a LOT better explanations come to mind--like you happen to catch poor samples--the borrelia went more underground and out of the plasma, your peripheral smears werent indicative of a tissue based infection and on and ON

and since you decided to post this little science project--I have to ask

1. what the brand and model of the scope--is it used? monoc or binoc?? what condenser do you have--brand and type--and what iris aperture?? OR are you using standard issue ( not souped up)
2. HOW do you prep the slides??
3. do you use stains?? which and HOW
4. how long do the prepped slides sit before viewing? do you keep slides and re examine?
5. have you attached a camera to take pics??
6. do you think youre seeing cyst, bleb or granular forms too?

btw if I thought you a simple fool Id not even bother with you or this...Im hoping you have enough sense to see that all I ( we?//) want is VALID well founded information that everyone can rely upon--even those--maybve especially those --without the education or time or knowledge to know for themselves what is "Kosher"

Finette

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Re: MMS and LAURICIDIN under phase contrast scope

Post by BlueAngel » Wed 20 Aug 2008 1:41

James

I would have to question this "Teacher's" credentials to have taught you this technique so easily and quickly. My ND did a darkfield analysis on my blood and could see nothing...no invaders, no spiro's, nothing. Dr Fry has to use stains to identify Bart and Babs. He has scopes that cost 10 X's a much as yours yet he cannot and will not diagnose anyone as having lyme using live blood under phase contrast or Darkfield.

Sometimes you say that you have a Darkfield, and sometimes you say phase contrast. Doesn't really matter because the experts can't usually find any borrelia whatsoever in a live blood sample...not a single one. It doesn't add up. Maybe you are sincere, but that really doesn't matter. What you are claiming is impossible. If these critters were so easy to see without stains, then why isn't there a single lab that offers this test for a lyme or coinfection Dx?

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Post by jamescase20 » Wed 20 Aug 2008 5:40

Guys, go to youtube.com and watch live blood phase contrast micro...viewing all the different forms of lyme...you WILL see them.

Besides. your suggesting that my trained specialist in live blood microscopy is clueless?

Shes been doing this for years, she knows, we see hatchlings.

Go to youtube. The hatchlings are the tiny black dots that hover, the baby adults are the very short sticks with a bleb on each end.

Full adult lymes are the corkscrews, but they have blebs attached to them to hide from the immune system.

Wake up...YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!@!@@@!

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Post by BlueAngel » Wed 20 Aug 2008 16:07

go to youtube.com and watch live blood phase contrast micro
That's it, that's your proof? One can watch all sorts of crap there. Hardly any proof that you are seeing keets, and little lyme babies. I wonder if Dr Fry knows about this. Maybe he can get trained up in this new keet ID protocol and stop wasting his time with stains and lengthy procedures. Maybe we can get the CDC onboard also and get this show on the road!
The hatchlings are the tiny black dots that hover,
Hmmm. You mean like little space ships?
Wake up...YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT
Looks to be the other way around.

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Re: MMS and LAURICIDIN under phase contrast scope

Post by LymeEnigma » Wed 20 Aug 2008 18:45

It takes special training and equipment to perform a dark field microscopy, and even then there is no way of differentiating benign spirochetes from Bb or some other infectious agent; that required additional testing, such as PCR.

I have read that there has been a HUGE scam going around for years, in which doctors "show" their patients slides of their blood in some type of machine, offering immediate "proof" of their Lyme infections:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRel ... ecell.html

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Post by cave76 » Wed 20 Aug 2008 19:02

LE---- I've seen reports like that---- and not on QW.

Wait until someone comes here and throws the whole baby out with the bath because QW is very negative about Lyme. LOL

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Post by jamescase20 » Wed 20 Aug 2008 20:41

I read quack watch...and some of there claims are a joke.

I agree with you that there are alot of scams out there.

But MMS is not one of them.

My live blood microscopy proves it.

Quackwatch is like the FDA, it has to have peer researched studies, and that costs millions of dollars.

Jim humble dont have millions of dollars so his mms gets quacked. Use your abx go ahead, and if you dont recover, dont blame me!!!!

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Post by itsy » Wed 20 Aug 2008 20:59

I post from work where out firewall does not allow us to stream video. I am not able to watch youtube.

At home I have a very slow dial up because I live rurally and am unable to stream video at all.

I do not know enough about the live blood analysis, other than having read it was a scam, to know whether or not these little hovering dots of which you speak are nothing more than something already on the slide. Besides, Spiros do not lay eggs or hatch, they split. So, I am curious of the science side, espcially since I know there are people who green screen themselves in youtube in front of trains or chicken farms and the like.

Therefore, can you kindly answer Fin's questions, please?



Fin24 wrote:
1. what the brand and model of the scope--is it used? monoc or binoc?? what condenser do you have--brand and type--and what iris aperture?? OR are you using standard issue ( not souped up)
2. HOW do you prep the slides??
3. do you use stains?? which and HOW
4. how long do the prepped slides sit before viewing? do you keep slides and re examine?
5. have you attached a camera to take pics??
6. do you think youre seeing cyst, bleb or granular forms too?

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Re: MMS and LAURICIDIN under phase contrast scope

Post by Fin24 » Thu 21 Aug 2008 1:47

can I add another important and still ignored one??? HATCHLINGS---???????????????????
to quote James -WTF?????


are any of these people bacteriologists??????????????????Im not -my degree is in developmental ( embryology) and even I can see a BIG flaw here and even I know much more than they--and admit its still far too little

I repeat ,what are you saying are HATCHLINGS, LYME BABIES etc???

lyme does not have BABIES they reproduce by splitting vertically people and also POSSIBLY via cystation ( hypotheses abound, no proof)

AND they MAY be seen as coming from cysts as fully sized spiro's, NO babies

IF you are seeing black dots I dont give a rats patootie what you or the Pope "thinks" youre seeing theyre NOT Hatchlings, Lyme babies etc etc etc

and if by now I sound annoyed well yes I am--dagnabit---very annoyed at the spewing of mistaken Biology facts that others may read and pass along

by G-d people, the amount of time science educators spend UNdoing bad or false notions prevents real science from being taught--no wonder this country is almost dead last ( even behind undeveloped dirt floor ones) in science understanding--SHAMEFUL


James you dont need millions of dollars--get a dollar and grab a bus to the library and get a bacteriology text off the shelf and LOOK--and LEARN about spirochetes and their behavior and life cycle, THEN maybe we can have a discussion

"hatchlings are tiny black dots that hover"...is the same as saying those bright lights outside my window last night are UFO's

there are NO hatchlings --they dont HATCH and the "babies" are NOT black dots

hey the black dots MAY be PLATELETS which reminds me while youre at the library get a good text on HEMATOLOGY too this way you can at least learn what should and shouldnt be in the blood youre looking at--how about eosinophils and neutrophils??? fibrin , albumin????do either you or your mentor know how to distinguish them???

and as for "motion"- tricky thing with fresh unstained and unfixed samples--things appear to move becasue the PLASMA in the blood is moving due to the heat of the light--ROOKY mistake to assume whats there is "moving" on its own power--every 4th-6th grader I taught knew that by the end of the lab we did on Microscopes!!!

try it-- make a slide with water (distilled) and black pepper ( ground) and watch--itll LOOK like the pepper dots are MOVING--heck we used to do that to fool the TAs at University to see if they were ready to teach---know how many honor student thought they saw LIVE bacteria "moving"???? a LOT

baby adults??? what kind of OXYMORON is that???

and fyi not all adult spirochetes have to be corkscrew--they are pleomorphic--oops forgot to speak your level--can have many body shapes

and those BLEBS??? cysts, blebs, and vessicles are words often used for the same roundish free forms which confuses the "blebs" on the surface of the bacteria itself.
those are "outer membrane associated cysts" and MAY even be released with granules inside as an alternative reproductive method!!!!others claim its a survival mechanism -- a variant of cyst formation or even HOW cysts form!! I repeat all HYPOTHETICAL for now--GUESSES

theyre NOT harmless, they are nearly continuous INFECTIOUS packages , they MAY signal impending death of the original organism but that isnt "good" as it also means impending release of granules.

and the free cysts may release GRANULES ( your dots???) but they arent new spiro's they are "germinative units" akin to our sperm and eggs ( NOT the same--similar) they are PRIMORDIA, having to change and grow into a new form--the spirochete--again MAYBE, NO one has grown or watched this process

Im all for education so you keep pricking that finger but first LEARN about the stuff youre looking at, man.

so what we have is a person who is a "beleiver" so has a closed mind, who doesnt know whats supposed to be in his blood as he never trained in hematology and who has NO idea about bacteriology and yet claims HE knows whats in his blood and not only that but what theyre doing there!!!

sigh, sorry...but my BP just soared big time.... a major pet peeve of mine is blind ignorance with refusals to even learn the basics

that practioner/teacher show-er of live blood of yours??? know what --Id run from her as she not only is undereducated but refuses to recognize or admit it--very dangerous in health care--HOW do I know this?? well if I with my few bio degrees know MORE than she does ( which apparently I have just proven) and I admit I know far too LITTLE to be giving anyone else the kind of health care she is, well.....do the math

and you and your practitoner "sees hatchlings"????? well I see dead people

the ones listening to you, very soon

Finette

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