Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

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Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by Martian » Wed 26 Feb 2014 0:24

After all these years it has finally been settled...

*drum roll*


Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease



UPDATE:

This topic keeps getting kicked to the top, so therefore I have to point out here clearly that I changed my mind about this due to advancing insights. Also see topic Chronic Lyme disease ≠ Late Lyme disease (13 Dec 2014)


The following is what I wrote about this subject in March 2015: (source topic)
Martian wrote:Note that the term "chronic Lyme" has two meanings:

1. a synonym for "late Lyme", which has been used since the 1980s.

2. a name for symptoms caused by a persistent Borrelia infection, which persists despite supposedly adequate antibiotic treatments. Even years of antibiotics supposedly fail to eradicate the infection in thousands of patients.

Meaning 2 seems to be invented by the "llmds" and Lyme activists/patients somewhere during the 1990s. That's when the Babylonian confusion of tongues started regarding "chronic Lyme disease".

edit: added update.
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Re: Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by X-member » Wed 26 Feb 2014 0:33

8-)

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Re: Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by Margherita » Wed 26 Feb 2014 9:12

:o Sources?

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Re: Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by X-member » Wed 26 Feb 2014 16:51

Margherita wrote:
Sources?
Burrascano, Miklossy, Berghoff, Ljöstad (Norway) and many more.


Edit to add:

Chronic Lyme borreliosis in US (Burrascano): An infection for more than one year.
Chronic Lyme borreliosis in Scandinavia: An infection for more than six months.

Edit to add 2:

Dr Burrascanos own words:
Dr. B considers a person to be "chronic" if they have had the condition over 1 year.
http://www.betterhealthguy.com/bioresou ... conference
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Re: Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by X-member » Wed 26 Feb 2014 17:21

But how is a still active/ongoing late infection after treatment called?

Read about it here:

Chronic/late persistent Lyme borreliosis?

http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/view ... =11&t=5220

And what are the signs of a still active, ongoing borrelia infection?

Read about this here:

Signs of a still active, ongoing borrelia infection?

http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/view ... =11&t=5226

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Re: Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by Margherita » Wed 26 Feb 2014 21:48

But how is a still active/ongoing late infection after treatment called?
Borreliosissima!


Thank you X-member. :) I think the one of Marie Kroun is extraordinary. It provides a huge quantity of interesting information.

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Re: Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by X-member » Wed 5 Mar 2014 0:05

ILADS (Diagnostic Hints and Treatment Guidelines for Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses).

http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/treat ... lines.html
In general, you can think of LB as having three categories: acute, early disseminated, and chronic. The sooner treatment is begun after the start of the infection, the higher the success rate. However, since it is easiest to cure early disease, this category of LB must be taken VERY seriously. Undertreated infections will inevitably resurface, usually as chronic Lyme, with its tremendous problems of morbidity and difficulty with diagnosis and treatment and high cost in every sense of the word. So, while the bulk of this document focuses of the more problematic chronic patient, strong emphasis is also placed on earlier stages of this illness where closest attention and care must be made.

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Re: Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by Martian » Wed 5 Mar 2014 0:42

X-member,

What does ILADS say about late lyme disease or chronic lyme disease as a synonym of late lyme disease?

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Re: Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by X-member » Wed 5 Mar 2014 0:49

From an earlier post (ILADS):
acute, early disseminated, and chronic
= early, early disseminated and late!

But I think I understand what you want to say, Martian.

Do IDSA and ILADS use exactly the same definition.

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Re: Chronic Lyme disease = Late Lyme disease

Post by X-member » Wed 5 Mar 2014 0:56

ILADS: Chronic Lyme = an active, ongoing infection for more than one year.

CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/
Late disseminated stage (months-to-years post-tick bite)

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